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Showing posts with label Team USA. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Team USA. Show all posts

Sunday, July 29, 2012

Dream Team vs. Redeem Team

I was going to hold my tongue and not make any Team USA comparisons. Then Spain's (and the Memphis Grizzlies') center Marc Gasol had to mess around and say this:


"On a bad day for the '92 team, the current team would lose by just 15 or 20 points against them"


That's ridiculous, on a bad day for the '92 team, Larry Bird and John Stockton play heavy minutes. Why is that a bad thing? Well, at 35, Larry Bird was the oldest member of the Dream Team and only played in 2 of the 8 games at the Olympics. John Stockton was 30 and there's no way he would be able to stay in front of ANY guard on the 2012 roster. There's absolutely no way that the '92 team wins by 15 to 20 points on a bad day. Gasol is just speaking in hyperbole, I'll drop the exaggeration for an understatement. I know a team that the '92 team would have trouble with on a GOOD day for them. And it's not the 2012 team. It's another Team USA roster with a catchy name, the 2008 Redeem Team. That's right folks, I'm going there. Sit down, grab some popcorn, 'cause you gon learn today! 


(Aside: I'm comparing the 1992 and 2008 teams on the court. Not their basketball legacies. Or their cultural impact. Just the on-the-court product. The 1992 team wins those other comparisons in a landslide.)


Reason #1: Age




Average age of the 1992 team: 29, 5/12 players older than 30 (Bird, Stockton, Drexler, Ewing, Johnson)

Average age of the 2008 team: 26, 1/12 players older than 30 (Kidd)


The difference in average age for these teams is just 3 years, but that is a world of difference in sports. Most athletes peak between the age of 26 and 29. That means that the 2008 team is loaded with players that were beginning their statistical prime while the 1992 team was stacked with guys that were never going to contribute the way they used to (that's how you end up with Larry Bird only playing 2 games). Both teams would have to end up playing their benches and I’m not frightened when I look down the Dream Team bench. The Redeem team is more likely to give up their seat in public transportation to some of the old guys on the 1992 team than worry about their crossover.


Reason #2: Better international competition


In 1992, the Dream Team ran roughshod over their competition. They won their 8 games by an average of 43.8 points. And after watching the NBA TV documentary on the Dream Team, the scores were not indicative of the gulf in talent between Team USA and the rest of the world. (I think the gap between Tom Hanks and Paul Walker might be close. Maybe Julia Roberts and Snooki?)


The rest of the world learned that day. Since that summer in Barcelona, basketball federations in Argentina, Brazil, Spain, and France built elite programs. Globally, the quality of play improved dramatically. By the 2004 Olympics in Athens, Argentina was competitive enough to defeat Team USA, marking the first time that a team of professionals had failed to win the gold medal in 4 attempts.


The 2008 Redeem Team was born from the failures of the 2004 team and the triumph of international competition.  In 1992, the NBA had 21 international players (5% of all players); currently, there are 84 international players (19% of all players). The Redeem Team faced an overall quality of competition that toughened them in a way that the Dream Team would have never experienced.


Onions! verdict:
Team age and quality of opponents are sizable advantages for the Redeem Team. The 1992 version of several Dream Team players is an older shell of the legacies that we remember so fondly (Bird and Magic never won a playoff series after the 1991 season). Yeah, names like Michael Redd, Carlos Boozer, and Tayshaun Prince won’t end up in the hall of fame. But that’s not what a game between the Dream Team and the Redeem Team would boil down to. Young legs, better depth, and a more competitive international culture would put the Redeem team in position to take down the Dream Team. Book it

Tuesday, September 14, 2010

We are the champions...

Team USA does what it does and that is basically own the rest of the world in a little game called basketball.
Here is the run-down from our 2010 FIBA tournament:
Group Play:
USA 106, Croatia 78
USA 99, Slovenia 77
USA 70, Brazil 68 (were we in a coma?)
USA 88, Iran 51
USA 95, Tunisia 57

Round of 16: USA 121, Angola 66
Quarter-final:USA 89, Russia 79
Semifinal: USA 89, Lithuania 74
Final: USA 81, 64

Here's a quick montage of our basketball rampage against the rest of the world

(You didn't a. actually think I have the resources or b. have the time to make a montage video, did you? Future point of reference: Here at Onions! when we say montage, we mean Rocky IV)

Add it up and you get pure dominance. Undefeated 5 wins and 0 losses in the group play capped by an undefeated run of 4 wins and 0 losses in the out-rounds. Though winning the tournament was the most important statistic for Team USA; this has to be my favorite stat from FIBA 2010:

(Courtesy of ESPN's Bill Simmons)

Kevin Durant, last three USA games: 100 points, 35-for-59 shooting (59 percent), 15 3-pointers.
Everyone else on Team USA, last three games: 159 points, 57-for-146 shooting (39 percent), 14 3-pointers.

I'm gonna go light myself on fire now. Can you believe those numbers?! I haven't seen that kind of individual production in a team game since Hugo Stiglitz joined the Basterds in 1944.

What's next for Team USA?

The winner of the FIBA tournament automatically qualifies for the Olympics in 2012 (in London town) so we're golden on that front. More interestingly though is the 2011 FIBA Americas in Argentina. My guess is that we'll send out a team of scrubs (I'm waiting on that phone call Coach Kryzyzewski...) and save the big guns (Kobe, LeBron, Durant, etc.) for the 2012 games.

Monday, August 23, 2010

Team USA's Coming Out Party

Madrid, Spain

The 1992 USA Team that dominated the Barcelona Olympics it was not. Long gone are the days where our international competition takes their 40+ point whupping and asks for autographs when the game is over. Instead, last Saturday and Sunday saw Team USA struggle before winning 2 exhibition games in the run up to this year's 2010 FIBA World Championship. This version of Team USA is missing some serious star power from the 2008 Olympics in Beijing. If you scan the roster you will not see some of the NBA's biggest names that played so well in Beijing like Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, or Dwight Howard. In a youth-movement of sorts (I know Chauncey Billups is on this team and he started balling with Father Time), the "Darantula", Kevin Durant headlines a group of rising NBA superstars in Madrid. 


I'm not even going to talk about the first game against Lithuania. We'll get the cliff notes version from Rasheed Wallace . Ok, so maybe that didn't really fill you in as to what took place, but this game was so dismal that you're gonna thank me when you read these condensed bullet points
  • Team USA opens up the first half shooting 3 for 26 and an anemic 7 point first quarter
  • Halftime score: Lithuania 29, USA 26. I would have rather stapled my hand to a wall than watch this first half...
  • Rudy Gay knocks down four free throws after a flagrant foul in the 3rd quarter and turns a 1 point 50-49 lead into a 5 point cushion
  • Team USA wakes up and realizes that they're playing LITHUANIA(!!!!), hitting the cruise control en route to a 77-61 win.
The second game against Spain may reveal the character of this USA team going forward. After building a comfortable 69-58 lead after 3 quarters against the Spaniards, Team USA started to slack and let in the 4th quarter and let Spain back into the game. The hometown team took its first lead of the game (82-80) with an 8-0 run that was fueled by plain awful shot-selection and carelessness from American players (I'm talking about your air-balled 3 Lamar Odom...)

The last 30 seconds of the game were spectacular (USA-Spain Recap) 
Kevin Durant, the aforementioned "Darantula" used his obscene 7' 6" wingspan to deny Ricky Rubio (roll those rs) and Rudy Fernandez pm consecutive 3-point attempts with less than 7 seconds to go. This win demonstrated some real grit for the Americans and could be a harbinger of their FIBA play once the games start to count this Saturday. We'll probably see them take leads and then let teams back into the game with poor offensive continuity and bone-headed decisions. Hopefully, they'll continue to walk away on the right side of hotly contested games.